What if the Pope said this…


As part of that declaration, an ISIS spokesman said the group would now be known as the Islamic State, and al-Baghdadi as its leader would be known as Al-Khalifah Ibrahim — a reference to the leading religious figure considered a successor to the Prophet Mohammed…

In the video, the man purported to be al-Baghdadi urges people to follow his call to create an Islamic state in Iraq and Syria and wage jihad, or holy war, during Ramadan — the holy month of fasting for Muslims that began at the end of June.

“It is a month from Allah when we are protected from hell, and this is every night — nights during which the marketplace of jihad is open,” he said, according to a translation of the video posted by SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors terror groups.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/06/world/meast/iraq-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

I am not sure everyone realizes how powerful this message is. Basically this is the equivalent of an “Arch-Bishop or even the Pope” saying “this month you can kill all Muslims. You will not go to hell for it.” For those of us of faith, regardless what religion that may be, this is a very powerful statement if you believe it. It is actually the same basis the crusades were fought on, in regards to the ideologies of the “common man.” Sure wars are fought for money, power, and resources and we all know this, but when you add “divine guidance” to the message it becomes a different thing entirely.

I have made many comparisons to what I consider to be the differences in “Christian” beliefs. Many of those comparisons ARE the backbone as to why I don’t believe the “average man’ should interpret religion for themselves. Because man isn’t nearly as intelligent as he thinks he is. What we see here is a basic example of how differing translations can directly affect a religion in its entirety. The basis of what jihad is and whether or not you feel “as a Muslim state” that your way of life is being threatened daily are the current issues for many Muslims in many different countries. Understand Christians that many Muslims do feel this way, that Western society and their values and entertainment are intruding on the morals of their culture. This is regardless of whether or not that country actually supports those medians of interaction because social media is everywhere and the influence of the internet is a serious issue to some faiths.

So I wonder how many feel the power of this message. “Go, kill, revenge… all is forgiven this month.” Does it bother anyone else that we so easily associate such comments with a “person” rather than a possible ideology shared by a larger group of people that we refuse to recognize?

-Opinionated Man

29 thoughts on “What if the Pope said this…

  1. “This is the equivalent of an Arch-Bishop or even the Pope saying “this month you can kill all Muslims.”

    Isn’t this pretty much what Pope Urban II said when he made one of the most influential speeches in the Middle Ages? In 1095 he called upon Christian princes in Europe to go on a crusade to rescue the Holy Land from the Muslims. The Pope combined the ideas of making a pilgrimage to the Holy Land with that of waging a holy war against the infidels (Muslims).

    Here it is, 1000 years later, and now the leader of an Islamic state is calling for a holy war against the infidels (Christians). Interesting to me that all of this is inspired by a belief in God and in the practice of religion in the name of worshiping that God.

    As an atheist, I just have to shake my head in amazement that humanity has learned nothing over the past 1000 years.

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  2. Reblogged this on Mindful Digressions and commented:
    As long as I’m being political and controversial today, I thought I’d reblog something OM posted today, in case you missed it.

    OM wrote about the leader of the new “Islamic State” that has been formed in Syria and Iraq by ISIS. http://mindfuldigressions.com/2014/06/23/mess-o-potamia/ The leader of ISIS is encouraging Muslims to wage jihad, or holy war, during Ramadan, against “the infidels,” and telling Muslims that they will not risk going to hell for Christians during the entire Islamic holy month. And OM asked, What if the Pope said something like that?

    Well, you can read it for yourself. Below is how I answered his question.

    “This is the equivalent of an Arch-Bishop or even the Pope saying “this month you can kill all Muslims.”

    Isn’t this pretty much what Pope Urban II said when he made one of the most influential speeches in the Middle Ages? In 1095 he called upon Christian princes in Europe to go on a crusade to rescue the Holy Land from the Muslims. The Pope combined the ideas of making a pilgrimage to the Holy Land with that of waging a holy war against the infidels (Muslims).

    Here it is, 1000 years later, and now the leader of an Islamic state is calling for a holy war against the infidels (Christians). Interesting to me that all of this is inspired by a belief in God and in the practice of religion in the name of worshiping that God.

    As an atheist, I just have to shake my head in amazement that humanity has learned nothing over the past 1000 years.

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  3. In my opinion, the biggest problem with organized religion, both now and in past centuries, is the leaders are all very interested in power and control. “If you don’t believe what I believe, I will just have to kill you, or at least send you to hell.” Even though I am not an atheist, I am definitely anti-religion.

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  4. Ummm, if Muslims declare war on non-Muslims, does that mean that we non-Muslims get to kill all Muslims fpor a month and not go to hell either. Ramadan sounds more nteresting every day. After all turnabout seems fair. This could be a solution to religious conflict. ‘Cause we have nuclear weapons and they don’t, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

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  5. With all due respect, this isn’t remotely equivalent to the Pope declaring anything. Maybe if the pastor at Riverside Baptist in New York said to go kill a bunch of people. The Pope is the leader of a world religion with a billion adherents. This militia has less than ten thousand people.

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  7. It might be because I just woke up from a nap, but my first thoughts were:

    “The impacts of the Crusades can still be seen hundreds of years later.”

    and

    “The *Purge* sequel starts this month.”

    I’m Christian but not Catholic. My understanding is that the Pope’s word is supposed to be the law of the land for all Catholics. A larger group than this man’s, but I do see your comparison and I’ll go with that for this discussion.

    I’m also not Muslim, but I’m pretty sure this man is misunderstanding the purpose of Ramadan.

    Re: billlattpa’s comment, there’s a difference between fundamentalist Islam or radical and other Islamic teachings, just as my Christian upbringing did not advocate men marrying multiple wives or blaming gay and lesbian people for war.

    I may come back with a more thought-out response when I’m more awake.

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    • I agree with everything you said so far. :)
      I think one must consider religious zeal though and we can assume that Catholics would need more “evidence” they weren’t going to hell before committing such acts.

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    • Yes, except . . . I’ve had Catholic friends who grew up genuinely thinking they were going to Hell for all sorts of things, which for some was one of the reasons they became “recovering Catholics.” But I do agree with you.

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  9. The ISIS is pretty scary, sure. But I don’t really find myself that impressed with people who make grand sweeping claims. There are numerous dictators, warlords, and kings who in the past have made great claims of a ‘new era’ and a ‘new empire’ that don’t even survive one leadership cycle.
    In contrast, the number of great empires that actually succeed past the turbulence period of 2 decades are few and far between.

    I see no difference between the ISIS’s claim to religious legitimacy as I do to Al-Qaeda or Al-Shabaab. The difference, of course, is that the ISIS is hip enough to put a giant map of their plans on the internet.

    The Muslim faith has no centralized authority, no singular leader that is respected either by all sunni or all shia. Both sides have religious leaders that claim lineage to Muhammad, but I don’t think that is what it’ll take for them to survive more than a year. Nation craft is NOT easy.

    The ISIS is doing a lot of foolish things right now that will lead to their destruction in the coming years I think. If not by the western world, by the surrounding nations which hate them to no end (Iran, Saudi-Arabia, Turkey, etc.)

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  10. I do not believe that Jesus meant for Christianity to become the “Religion” it has become. His religion was much simpler, man made it complicated. What is so hard about love your neighbor, treat others as you would want to be treated, kindness and compassion. What if we just simply tried to live with those tenets and not all of the complicated mess that ensued? Men are the ones who use “Religion” for their own uses to gain power and to destroy. Not God.

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  11. As a Muslim, and from my limited religious knowledge, the only real “jihad” we are suppose to fight is the one within ourselves, with our ego. The battle is to make yourself a better person, a functioning member of society (it is stated in the Quran that all Muslims are to follow the laws and rules of the land they are living in…yes, even in the West), a good neighbour, and a devotion to God and his creatures.

    As for the ISIS, I don’t think many Muslims really give a crap about the nonsense they “preach”. Ramadan isn’t a month to massacre, it is a month to reflect on how good we have it in life, to give to charity and to hopefully enhance your relationship with God.

    Ramadan Kareem to you all!

    -Wajahat aka The Only Son

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